Curse

awesome sauce · May 02, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04

This is crazy....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18368186/site/newsweek/
discuss.

AetherBunny · May 02, 2007, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Wow!

Absolutely fascinating.

I'm wondering how long it'll be before this goes from "new theory" to "standard procedure".

Thanks for posting!

Jeremy Untouchable · May 02, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

hopefully before i need it lol

Divinitys Creature · May 02, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Amazing news. I hate it when they just seem to give up so easily. You see it so often in movies and TV and probably every day when you work in an emergency room. A few days ago I heard someone saying there is new advice for CPR, that you should concentrate on pumping the heart more than breathing. I forget how many beats before a breath but I think it was something like 20 beats before two breaths. I am going to check this now

Divine Freak · May 02, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Don't worry, right about the same time we're all kicking the bucket the next generation will be developing technology that simply keeps them from aging

Divinitys Creature · May 02, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/3/16/153617.shtml

NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, March 16, 2007

Chest compression - not mouth-to-mouth resuscitation - seems to be the key in helping someone recover from cardiac arrest, according to new research that further bolsters advice from heart experts.

A study in Japan showed that people were more likely to recover without brain damage if rescuers focused on chest compressions rather than rescue breaths, and some experts advised dropping the mouth-to-mouth part of CPR altogether. The study was published in Friday's issue of the medical journal The Lancet.

More than a year ago, the American Heart Association revised CPR guidelines to put more emphasis on chest presses, urging 30 instead of 15 for every two breaths given. Stopping chest compressions to blow air into the lungs of someone who is unresponsive detracts from the more important task of keeping blood moving to provide oxygen and nourishment to the brain and heart.

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Originally Posted by http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10238535/

New CPR guidelines issued for heart attacks
Heart association says to 'push hard, push fast' during chest compression

DALLAS - “Push hard, push fast” next time you give CPR to someone having cardiac arrest, say new, simpler guidelines in a radical departure from past advice.

Putting the emphasis on chest compressions instead of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, the American Heart Association now urges people to give 30 compressions — instead of 15 — for every two rescue breaths.

“Basically, the more times someone pushes on the chest, the better off the patient is,” said Dr. Michael Sayre, an Ohio State University emergency medicine professor who helped develop the guidelines announced Monday.
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“We have made things simpler,” he said. “Push hard on the person’s chest and push fast.”

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tenshi_strife · May 02, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

O.o wow...... so really docs have been killing people..... ouch

Knido · May 07, 2007, 03:05 AM // 03:05

im pretty surprised it took them so long to figure out they were doing something wrong

with all the research that goes into the heart and heart attacks

this is especially weird to me

Quote:

If the patient doesn't receive cardiopulmonary resuscitation within that time, and if his heart can't be restarted soon thereafter, he is unlikely to recover. That dogma went unquestioned until researchers actually looked at oxygen-starved heart cells under a microscope.

they know nearly everything there is to know about the human body and probably did countless autopsys on people who died of heart attacks, but never actually looked at the heart cells

weird

*Darcy* · May 07, 2007, 11:29 AM // 11:29

@Knido - there is a severe lack of donations (physical) for medical research. Most religions are against it and families find it offensive.

If you want to leave your body for research, it requires a lot of paperwork by you and frank conversations with your family.

Thus medical researchers take a long time to confirm findings prior to publishing results. And there is nothing harder than going against "established" procedures. That means a lack of funding also.

Divinitys Creature · May 07, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knido

im pretty surprised it took them so long to figure out they were doing something wrong

with all the research that goes into the heart and heart attacks

this is especially weird to me

they know nearly everything there is to know about the human body and probably did countless autopsys on people who died of heart attacks, but never actually looked at the heart cells

weird

Good point. It seems like technology was not the bottleneck here.

Diablo™ · May 09, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knido

im pretty surprised it took them so long to figure out they were doing something wrong

with all the research that goes into the heart and heart attacks

this is especially weird to me

they know nearly everything there is to know about the human body and probably did countless autopsys on people who died of heart attacks, but never actually looked at the heart cells

weird

The problem lays in the fact that Medical researchers and Medical hospitals are two seperate entities. The science in medicine that researchers have known may be far more advance than some doctors imagine, but the problem is that they're only research, therefore they can only be taken as theoretical.

It takes a long time for a revolutionary medical procedure to be actually "applied" in a hospital to save patients. The reason is that these revolutionary procedures must endure countless tests, re-examined and proven, before being approved for the medical field. And EVERY step of the way takes alot of fundings, which unfortunately, is never enough to go around. (with Nasa still trying to figure out what the rocks on Mars tastes like...)